How will they beat the Giants?
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- September
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So who would have guessed the Jets’ and Mets’ seasons would end on the same day?
OK, OK, that’s a cheap shot and not true. It just feels like that, especially after watching the Giants beat up on the Eagles while tying an NFL record for sacks.
Let’s face it, at this rate the Jets could go the whole season and have trouble getting 12 sacks.
One moment from today I forgot to include in my earlier posts. After the game as we fought our way through the crowd to get to the post-game interviews, we stood for a brief moment waiting for the elevator down to the locker room level. GM Mike Tannenbaum was there with some other Jets’ officials. Somehow, a twirked off Jets fan wandered through the executive space on his way out of the stadium. Spying Tannenbaum, he started asking for answers.
As in, what’s wrong with this team, is this really the team, is this all we’ve got. That type of stuff.
Then the kicker.
“I drove all the way from White Plains for this?’’
By that time, though, we’re filing into the elevator and on our way down. I couldn’t have gotten back to talk to this local Jets fan. I might have been able to build a whole story around him.
Tannenbaum looked like he wanted to either say something rude back or rush the guy. Instead, he just stared him down. At that point, Tannenbaum could have chewed on glass.
But this upcoming week promises to be a nasty one for Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini. There are going to be some hard questions asked and some nasty things written. Mangini has never lost his cool with the media, that’s one thing I definitely give him credit for. This week might try his patience.
Because there are a lot of questions. Namely, how does Thomas Jones not get used in a judicious manner today. Why get the guy if you’re not going to use him.
And were are, exactly, all the answers in the room Mangini is talking about. There’s no pass rush and no pass rush is coming from anybody the team has. Flat out, this team’s 3-4 is not working.
As for Tannenbaum, think of the guys the Jets have run out of town since Mangini took over – Pete Kendall, Kevin Mawae, John Abraham. These guys were blown out because the Jets didn’t want their personalities in the locker room. Think the Jets could use their talent on the field right about now?
Maybe this is a knee-jerk reaction from watching a miserable effort, both in terms of game-planning (Dick Jauron has now outcoached Mangini in two straight games) and execution, but I see a very mediocre team right now.
And to top off a disappointing day, the hot wings at The Anchor Bar weren’t hot enough. And then they got cold too fast.
Flying tomorrow morning, I’ll check back from Hofstra. If anybody wants to vent some more, please pile on here.
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Jane McManus 
Good for that fan… I’m trying to be patient. I realize that Tangini are rebuilding the franchise in their own image, and that it takes time. However, I’m starting to wonder about their decision making and play calling as much as their lack of gifted players.
For starters, the Kendall saga was just plain bizarre. A team in desperate need of an offensive lineman, and plenty of cap space, does not throw away a guy like Kendall over a million bucks. The sign of a good manager, in any field or any business, is that he gets to know his personnel and that he learns to maximizes their usefulness by putting them in position to succeed. Hard headedly sticking to the 3-4 with talented players like Jonathan Vilma and Dewayne Robertson is not using them to full potential. Coaches need to coach the team they were given, not the team they wish they had.
At times it seems they have too many penalties for a supposedly well coached team. Also, whats with all the delay of games and timeouts? Their complicated offense, with all the movement and adjustments, seems to be confusing their players more than the opposition.
And I still can’t understand how a first time starter looks like Bill Kelly against this team.
I understand the limitations of Chad’s arm as much as anybody, but the guy was 32 of 39 for 292 yards. His accuracy is incredible. How come we don’t let him get vertical in the first quarter but have to wait until the 4th quarter when we’re behind.
I could go on and on…
Great point about beating the Giants, they looked to be playing at a very fast pace last night and if Brick thought he was out of the woods after Taylor and Schoebel (which he did a pretty good job with), now comes Yumeniora?...The test for the Jets Defense will be the eagles game against that LT Justice, the guy from USC, if we can’t get to McNab with him at LT, Sutton may as well just resign…
It is easy to see how we were 10-6 last season. Our schedule was weak. Our last six games were against Houston, GB, Minn, BUFFALO>LOSS, Miami and Oakland. That will not happen this season. This team will be lucky to win 3 more games. I hate to say it. But the Giants will eat us up. We have been very lucky injury wise so far. Hopefully the team will fight for home state pride. I’m not looking forward to seeing too many Giant fans next Monday. It’s time to abandon the 3/4 defense. They have been at the bottom of the league stats for the last 20 games. What happen to our offensive genius. It looks like Rich Kotites offense now. Sorry if I keep going on and on. But this is my 48th season with these guys. And I only see 1 championship on thier resume. And this is the most frustrated I have ever been. Maybe I’m just getting too old for this.
I really think it comes down to the front office and coaching.
We didn’t load up on needed talent this off season – who didn’t know that we needed beef in the middle of the D-line and someone to rush the QB? And what did Tannenbaum do about that?
Week after week this year we have gotten out-coached. The play calling is atrocious! More conservative than Sean Hannity. Gutless, I’d call it! The team is never inspired. Kind of flat, just showing up. And it’s the opponents who you see going all out. Just check Marshawn Lynch on his runs yesterday. Determination personified!
Mangini never goes for it on 4th to keep up momentum and all Shottenheimer calls for are dumpoffs behind the line. You need 10 yards throw the damn ball 11 yards please! Go for it! You play to win the damn game, to quote a former coach.
No, all they do is try not to lose and hope for a big or lucky play.
And the defense? Oh…wait…WHAT defense?
Perhaps we gave too much credit to Magnini and Tannenbaum last year. I think it may have gone to their heads, and they started to believe in their own infallibilty ( or what writers wrote about them ). How else describe the farce with Kendall which ,if handled early ,would have not blown up as it did and would have left the O-line stronger.
The play calling has been unimaginative both on defense and offense. Though one may tend to blame the O and D coordinators , the blame lies with Mangini. The fact that the lines do not have the personnel to make any type of push
is largely Tannenbaums fault.
The question I have for Tangini is : do you have the guts to admit your errors, correct them and improve ?
A lot of Jets fans are calling for Chad’s head because of his so called inability to throw the dep ball…until we confirm this isn’t playcalling, I can’t fall off the Chad bandwagon. I don’t think he would be wearing an NFL jersey if he couldn’t throw 50+ yards. The first int was tough, but that is where a defense is supposed to pick up a guy and get a 3 and out and force a field goal attempt keeping this a 13-7 game. Evidence of this team sleepwalking was the two or three delay of game penalties. Also, the last tuchdown Buffalo scored, didn’t that look a lot like the TD Baltimore scored? Do we watch film?
Chad’s always the easy target, but if not for him, I think we’d be in real trouble. All a guy like him needs is a complete team around him and from the coaching staff on down, it simply isn’t there yet. I stay off the boards on days like this I can’t stand the knee-jerk ignorance that takes over.
I agree with David. Chad is not the problem. The starting offense is reasonably solid except for the offensive line. However, they have no depth. If Jones, Coles, Cotchery or Baker goes down we have a problem.
The defense is a completely different matter. We need to make some changes starting with the coaching.
The start of this post was right: The Jets are as dead as the Mets. It’s time to start preparing for 2008 and the first thing to do is bench Pennington.
This isn’t anti-Pennington, but realism. The Jets aren’t good enough to turn it around this year. And Penny’s not the long-term answer at QB. So I’d rather go 4-12 or 6-10 with Clemens getting experience (and the Jets brass finding out whether he can be a long-term solution) than 6-10 or 8-8 with Pennington.
http://www.snakesinmypants.com/2007/09/30/bench-pennington/
My simple explanation is they really were not that good last year, new coaches created schemes that caught a lot of teams off guard and disguised true weaknesses. The improved defense in the second half last year was due to blitzing.
With a full year of tape, opponents have plenty of film and are now prepared for the offensive wrinkles and defensive blitzes. the former Mangenius has failed to adjust.
Opponents always have max protection and the perfect play called for the blitzes, so obviously they are being tipped in some manner. Not from cheating but rather from personnel packages or play calls.
Sutton needs to devise a way to disguise them.
On offense, all the motion serves only to confuse our own players.
The defenses now realizes this is really a very conservative offense with no deep threat and if they just ignore the motion, play cover two deep zone and stack the box they will be fine.
Oh, you actualy want a solution?
Self scout, disguise the blitzing on defense.
On offense, scrap all the motion and trick plays and substitutions. Run a Herm Edwards power offense.
Get back to basics. Run TJ 25 times a game behind true full back Barnes, not number 40.
The offensive line is actually pretty big now. Run behind it, and for god’s sake get back to playing basic smash mouth football with a good dose of play action.
Stop with all the crap and play football.
PSS
For example, yesteday on one of McCarreins motion penalties, there were about three shifts for a play that ended up being a hand up the middle.
Now that the opponents see through all the smoke and mirrors this serves no purpose other than increasing the risk of penalties on the Jets.
Just hand the ball off and run the damn ball.
I get tired of the Kendall stuff, which is overblown.
It’s a team thing, and a coaching thing.
If they’re going to play Chad, they have to allow him to pass mid-range. They seem so spooked by the weak OL, that they refuse to do anything.
On D, last season they moved around disguising coverages.
I’m not seeing that this season.
Everything is just so predictable, which wasn’t the case last season.
It’s just so strange to me, that Mangini took some chances last season, was successful, and this season he has become so scared.
The sad thing, is that management is putting themselves in a pressure-cooker for next season.
It’s just about message time, for this team.
I suspect with a loss against the Giants, the heat is going to rise to the point, where Mangini is going to make some big changes. Number one being Clemens being inserted, and number two being Vilma being benched in favor of Harris.
I’d really like to see them come out and dial up a play-action long ball on the first play of next week’s game. I can’t imagine anyone would expect it, based on what they’ve shown so far and it would give Chad a chance to answer all the nagging arm-strength issues once and for all. I’m willing to bet he can still throw it far enough or I don’t think he would be in there, but they have to call the play at the appropriate time.
Send Clemens out there now with this offensive line? That just gives him 12 games in which to get his arm torn off. I’d wait a few more games and hope the OL gels a bit more.
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