Comments on: The debate begins http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/ Jane McManus of The Journal News on Brett Favre and the Jets. Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:54:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.5 By: wayne http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8039 wayne Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:03:01 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8039 Not as down on the defense as everyone else. Pats are beating everyone, and most of Fins yards came late in the game when in prevent. I never expected dominance this year, just improvement and the jury remains out. They did bring in Coleman, Harris, and Revis, all of whom fit the defense to a tee. They brought in Bowens but so far not so good. Can not build Rome in a day. There were no nose tackles on the market, and I guess they still feel Vilma can get the job done. If he does not shape up soon he will be gone. DRob has done a good job, I think. They may make a splash in free agency next year when there are better choices on the market. Not as down on the defense as everyone else. Pats are beating everyone, and most of Fins yards came late in the game when in prevent.

I never expected dominance this year, just improvement and the jury remains out.

They did bring in Coleman, Harris, and Revis, all of whom fit the defense to a tee. They brought in Bowens but so far not so good. Can not build Rome in a day.

There were no nose tackles on the market, and I guess they still feel Vilma can get the job done. If he does not shape up soon he will be gone. DRob has done a good job, I think.

They may make a splash in free agency next year when there are better choices on the market.

]]> By: NY Green Machine | New York Jets Blog » Blog Archive » (Blog)Roll Call... http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8038 NY Green Machine | New York Jets Blog » Blog Archive » (Blog)Roll Call... Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:59:34 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8038 [...] Gross weighs in on the 3-4/4-3 debate. [...] [...] Gross weighs in on the 3-4/4-3 debate. [...]

]]> By: jetfanfromseattle http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8036 jetfanfromseattle Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:11:37 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8036 1. Perhaps... It might have to do with the Defensive Coordinator. I am not sold on Bob Sutton yet. If Jets had Crennel (present Brown's HC, but possibly ex-HC after the season) as their coordinator, it might be a different story. 2. It is also true that 3-4 takes more discipline to learn and apply effectively (i.e., instinctively). But somehow in 2nd year, this defense seems to be lethargic. 3. Mangini always preached about using the players to succeed. Yet, he doesn't seem to apply that to this defense. I do believe that Jets players NOW are more suited for 4-3. So I think, Mangini is being stubborn here. 4. Whether 4-3 or 3-4, I just want to see good and aggressive defense to win the game, but I guess I have to wait. 1. Perhaps… It might have to do with the Defensive Coordinator. I am not sold on Bob Sutton yet. If Jets had Crennel (present Brown’s HC, but possibly ex-HC after the season) as their coordinator, it might be a different story.

2. It is also true that 3-4 takes more discipline to learn and apply effectively (i.e., instinctively). But somehow in 2nd year, this defense seems to be lethargic.

3. Mangini always preached about using the players to succeed. Yet, he doesn’t seem to apply that to this defense. I do believe that Jets players NOW are more suited for 4-3. So I think, Mangini is being stubborn here.

4. Whether 4-3 or 3-4, I just want to see good and aggressive defense to win the game, but I guess I have to wait.

]]> By: David http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8035 David Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:25:35 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8035 Although, I don't think it is solely an issue of 3-4, I think it is a contributing factor. One way or the other a finger has to point to the coaching staff, because it is their job to play to the strengths of their personnel and it is hard for me to believe that the collective talents of the individual players could add up to a defense as putrid (and I don't use the term lightly) as this. Although, I don’t think it is solely an issue of 3-4, I think it is a contributing factor. One way or the other a finger has to point to the coaching staff, because it is their job to play to the strengths of their personnel and it is hard for me to believe that the collective talents of the individual players could add up to a defense as putrid (and I don’t use the term lightly) as this.

]]> By: Frank http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8034 Frank Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:59:08 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8034 Andrew et al: In regards to the Jets defense, there have been seasons where after slow starts, our defense has improved to the point where we were almost dominant. I think even one year under Cotrell we improved and we certainly did last year. Am I the only person who believes this team can improve. Granted, some of our players aren't great for the system, we don't have a Wilfork or Ty Warren, but this team has playmakers. As for the debate, 4-3 or 3-4, this unit is versatile whereas they will play multiple fronts as they have shown in the past. It is sad that talented guys like DROB and Vilma almost get lost in the system, but I do believe these guys will improve. Andrew et al:

In regards to the Jets defense, there have been seasons where after slow starts, our defense has improved to the point where we were almost dominant. I think even one year under Cotrell we improved and we certainly did last year. Am I the only person who believes this team can improve. Granted, some of our players aren’t great for the system, we don’t have a Wilfork or Ty Warren, but this team has playmakers. As for the debate, 4-3 or 3-4, this unit is versatile whereas they will play multiple fronts as they have shown in the past. It is sad that talented guys like DROB and Vilma almost get lost in the system, but I do believe these guys will improve.

]]> By: burf http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8033 burf Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:30:31 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8033 I think the 3-4/4-3 debate is overblown, as we're often in a 4-3 look. The problem is the players themselves... and a bit of luck. The key to the whole thing is NT. People always mention that Vilma's ill-suited for the 3-4, but we haven't seen him play, with a *real* nose tackle in front of him. DRob, to me, has looked very good, when he's at End. But he's being played out of position, because we haven't found a solid NT yet, which is the luck aspect. The players are often in position, but aren't making the plays. Tackling is tackling, whether it's the 3-4 or 4-3. So, to me, the real question is, does Mangini use the scheme he believes in, or does he scrap it because of one position (NT)? I think he's doing it right. He's instituted the scheme he believes in, and seen work, so the players learn it, and become accustomed to it, as new players are added, to fill any holes... like Revis, Harris, & Eric Smith. I think the 3-4/4-3 debate is overblown, as we’re often in a 4-3 look.
The problem is the players themselves… and a bit of luck.
The key to the whole thing is NT.
People always mention that Vilma’s ill-suited for the 3-4, but we haven’t seen him play, with a real nose tackle in front of him.
DRob, to me, has looked very good, when he’s at End.
But he’s being played out of position, because we haven’t found a solid NT yet, which is the luck aspect.
The players are often in position, but aren’t making the plays. Tackling is tackling, whether it’s the 3-4 or 4-3.

So, to me, the real question is, does Mangini use the scheme he believes in, or does he scrap it because of one position
(NT)?
I think he’s doing it right. He’s instituted the scheme he believes in, and seen work, so the players learn it, and become accustomed to it, as new players are added, to fill any holes… like Revis, Harris, & Eric Smith.

]]> By: mehmattski http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8032 mehmattski Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:53:01 +0000 http://jets.lohudblogs.com/2007/09/26/the-debate-begins/#comment-8032 While I agree that the personnel would be better utilized in a 4-3 defense, I worry about the consequences of switching mid-stream. With the Jets' bye week so late this year, it may be too late to completely rework the defensive playbook and still field a competitive team. I suppose if Mangini were willing to abandon the 3-4 following another screen-pass fest against Buffalo, they could just put in a basic defense and then add to it as the season goes along. Having four down linemen would help against the screen because the Jets wouldn't have to blitz two linebackers or a safety every down to get pressure on the QB. Anyway, I don't know what it would take to change mid-season, or if Mangini is capable of switching. While I agree that the personnel would be better utilized in a 4-3 defense, I worry about the consequences of switching mid-stream. With the Jets’ bye week so late this year, it may be too late to completely rework the defensive playbook and still field a competitive team. I suppose if Mangini were willing to abandon the 3-4 following another screen-pass fest against Buffalo, they could just put in a basic defense and then add to it as the season goes along. Having four down linemen would help against the screen because the Jets wouldn’t have to blitz two linebackers or a safety every down to get pressure on the QB. Anyway, I don’t know what it would take to change mid-season, or if Mangini is capable of switching.

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